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, var axel = Math.random() + ''; First, you need at least 2,500 fps to guarantee that the initial wound cavity causes permanent damage to the organs near the entry wound. So what do I recommend? Do you want full metal jacket or hollow-point? Until recently, any commercially available ammunition had only been available in one load for each extreme in barrel length. On the plus side, you can drop the barrel length down to  around 11 inches and you will only be losing about 150 to 200 fps. SIG SAUER supersonic rounds feature a 125gr Sierra Match King Projectile for superior accuracy and minimal dispersion when suppressed. They have a point. I have read the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy, and I hereby agree to those terms. You want a 10.5- to 12.5-inch barreled AR in the most lethal caliber. It has half of the ballistic energy of the .308 in the same length barrel. This round has been thoroughly tested to function in both pistol and carbine length gas systems. Like the long range category I can tell you who wins this category right off the bat. Today we wade into the interesting debate of 300BLK subs versus 308Win subs. This model comes configured in 9” 300 Blackout. .300 Win Mag vs .300 Blackout: Quick ‘n Dirty Comparison By Alex Joseph-July 26, 2019 0 6357 Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Comparing ammunition is always an interesting and difficult task. The other three criterion are important, but lethality trumps everything else. They just didn’t understand all of the “why.” They saw that a smaller, faster round did far more damage to pigs—both living and dead—than a bigger, slower round. It’s simple to use, collects and records data automatically and gives you another dimension to your platforms. What Is a 300 Blackout Good For? LE – Silencers – Science Otherwise, even though the initial wound cavity may look cool in ballistic gelatin, it is not enough to cause any real damage. The AR-15s 5.56mm cartridges are obviously lighter than the AR-10’s 7.62, making it easier to carry more of them. This is especially important for those of us who don’t reload since factory subsonic .308 offerings are few and far between. Smaller bullets do not track as far as large bullets. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30-06 Springfield vs .300 AAC Blackout ammo rounds. You can shoot a sub-gun in 9mm or .45 ACP and be just as effective. The MARC® Sport Pistol utilizes a Remington® 700 action in conjunction with a “remage” style barrel interface. At 50 yards, the difference is 248 lb.-ft. or a 34.73% advantage. Posted May 9, 2020 in Bolt Action, Editorial, NFA / Suppressors / Class III, Pistol Stabilizing Brace, Pistols, Rifles, Silencer Saturday by Pete with No CommentsTags: Discreet Ballistics, Graham Brothers Rifleworks, MARC chassis, Resonator K, Silencer Saturday, Yankee Hill Machine, SILENCER SATURDAY #124: 300BLK Subs Vs 308 Subs With Labradar Data. However, the .300 Blackout has a noticeably shorter case length than the .223 Remington (1.368″ vs 1.76″). And oh how it pains me to say it. Last week we went deep into the integrally suppressed rifle world with the REM700 from Innovative Arms. So let’s talk about the venerable .308. I grew up beating the drum for .45, so this hurts me as much as anyone. Again, the SIG Elite Match rounds showed extreme consistency as observed by the velocity spread and deviation. My main concern in today’s analysis are the fence-sitters out there: people who love suppressors and want to experience subsonic bliss but may not want to invest in a 300BLK platform. That number jumps up rapidly when it comes to people shot by rifle rounds. Jury is still out on that one. Next comes .300 Blackout. Anyone who has tried to yank out a carbine from their passenger seat during a takedown at Home Depot parking lot will tell you a 16-inch barrel is too long. This barreled action is then mated to our MARC® Sport chassis system, MARC® handguard, GBR 0 MOA scope rail (GBR-230-A), and a folding SB Tactical arm brace. There is no comparison in the calibers, .308 and 300 Blackout but at 100 yards or less I can take what I want, deer, hog, varmint etc quickly and efficiently as shot placement is the mark of a good hunter. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Remember, full powder burn for a quality 300BLK round should occur somewhere around nine inches, whereas .308 needs more than twice the barrel length. They are both good – at different things. Finally, let’s find an answer to the original question. You do not want so much space in there that … I refuse to draw any conclusions regarding the 300BLK subsonic versus .308 subsonic debate. The Discreet Ballistics 308 Win 190gr Subsonic Target Load was conceived and designed as part of a two load system. Let’s just go with the highest velocity round they make; that will be the best. That makes the 300 Blackout about 45% more per round on average. Utilizing the highest quality components available, SIG SAUER’s OTM Match ammunition delivers exceptional accuracy round after round. Given its high load capacity, a Versa Series 2 Tripod is also a great solution for shooters who need maximum support but want to keep their tripod as portable as possible. It is positioned to the side of the weapon, not downrange where other systems are prone to damage. It pokes holes, but it doesn’t drop them the way other calibers do. There are a few soft-point, hunting rounds, but no one is touting this round for being the best to kill deer, moose, or elk; there is a reason for that. 300 Blackout vs 5.56 NATO and Suppressors Of course, any judgment on the effectiveness and worth of the 300 Blackout wouldn’t be complete, or entirely fair, without answering the suppressor question. If you compare a 300 blackout round to a 308 round you’ll notice immediately how much shorter the 300 Blackout is. The Resonator® K uses a tubeless design which consists of heat treated 17-4 stainless steel and a heat treated 718 Inconel blast baffle which allows the suppressor to be full auto rated and designed for rigorous use. with 0.1% accuracy using six AA batteries. Anyone who has cleared a meth head’s single wide stacked with shit to the ceiling will tell you that a 16-inch barrel is too long. So let’s dive into the 300 Blackout vs 308 vs 7.62×39 debate as it relates to shorter barrels. If you are a reloader, a precision rifle shooter or are a fiend for data, you should be considering the purchase of a Labradar. It continually measures velocities of your rifle, pistol, shotgun (slugs), arrows or pellets up to 100 yards depending upon the size of the bullet. My editor recently relayed a question from a reader to me. This load incorporates the Nosler® 190 gr BTHP projectile that has proven to be quite accurate. &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;<br />
So which one would you build No other tripod in the world offers this versatility. As to be expected, the subsonic Discreet Ballistics 300BLK in the Graham Brothers MARC pistol with the Resonator K sounded very sweet. Some experts say you need 3,000 fps because the bullet rapidly slows down after it leaves the muzzle and it needs to be at 2,… Curve ball! The MARC® Sport Pistol in .300 Blackout comes with an Accurate-Mag steel magazine. In fact, projectiles run from 78 grains (Lehigh Defense Close Quarters) to 240 grains (Sierra MatchKing). You’re probably wondering what I keep at home for self defense? The spread and standard deviation were tight after the weather system moved in completely. Additionally document.write(' I don’t have the ballistic gelatin or the testing facility of the FBI’s Ballistic Research and Development Lab, but I can make some pretty intuitive deductions based on the data available. The SIG Elite Match is impressively consistent. A 12 gauge with 1-ounce slugs. Labradar Chronograph performance exceeds any consumer level velocity acquisition system. Is it possible that the venerable 308 can be quieter than 300blk?? Not bad, but 7.62x39mm doesn’t have a high enough velocity, even with a full-length barrel. 308 vs 300 Win Mag vs 30-06 Springfield Rifles Just like with ammo, the major gun manufacturers produce sporting rifles chambered in all three cartridges. Mostly because I don’t feel qualified to do so. Rounds have to go in excess of 2,500 fps for the initial wound cavity to cause damage to periphery organs. Improved ergonomics make operating the tripod more comfortable and seamless. The casing for the .308 Win is significantly larger than the 300 BLK and can hold a considerably higher amount of powder and withstand greater pressures. GREATER kinetic energy than the 5.56 NATO projectile, equal to a 45.97% increase. Is there a clear winner? Sounds awesome! But there are lots of lighter, fast 5.56mm rounds that are soft or plastic-tipped and they cook. Rounds are precision loaded using state-of-the-art, electromechanical monitoring for geometric conformity. Without access to a scientifically appropriate decibel meter, I’ve been suffering from a lack of quantifiable data for our weekly discussions. At 100 yards this can result in as much as a 200fps drop making it more difficult for the shooter to get on target. Modern bullet design is closing the gap between calibers and making the smaller bores more and more effective. Subsonic rounds all suck … equally. But it’s an exciting time to be alive. .300 Blackout, .300 Whisper, they sound so similar! Next, how do we judge calibers? I’m expecting a bloodbath in the comments section for that debate. DEALERS: If you want your link to buy YHM suppressors included in future Silencer Saturday posts, email: [email protected], var axel = Math.random() + ''; only thing i can think of is you can pick up a .300 blackout upper for about 400-500 bucks, while an AR-10 will Featuring dependable primers and clean-burning propellants each round has been meticulously designed to deliver competition level performance. The.308” diameter 300 Blackout bullet is available in a far greater range of weights — anywhere from 110 to 220 grains. Well, it’s a good thought, but it isn’t that simple. Multiple distances for velocity display are user definable on the unit. Although the 300 Blackout ammo is more powerful, more efficient, and more lethal when fired out of short-barreled rifles than 5.56 ammo, it falls behind the bullet energy of the 350 Legend being the heavier bullet. See more ideas about 300 blackout, Gun gear, Blackout. Pass on 7.62, especially in a short barrel. This load has been thoroughly tested to function with bolt action rifles. There are a lot of people that say it doesn't matter what other people have, its only what YOU have on hand. A .30 caliber bullet coming from an AR-15 (not AR-10) platform and able to come out in regular or subsonic (for suppressed weapons) velocities? The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30-30 Winchester vs .300 AAC Blackout ammo rounds. I’ve been told over and over by my agency that I should stick to a 16-inch barrel because it works better. They may not cause as much periphery damage as a round going more than 2,500 fps, but they may prove better than the match ammo and hunting rounds we have been using in the past. I know what you are thinking. Thanks for reading. Heavier, 69gr rounds tend to drop below 2,500 fps in barrels between 12 and 13 inches. In the meantime, I’m putting the Labradar to work in today’s discussions regarding 300BLK subsonic ammo versus 308Win subsonic ammo. I’ll admit it, I was at one time skeptical too. Discreet Bal­listics offers its 300 AAC Blackout ammunition in either pistol/SBR (7-11”) or rifle (16”) barrel loads so that velocity is consistently in the 1000fps range no matter which platform the shooter is using. Thus, the 300 Blackout round is a great pick for short barrel rifles. Since launching our first carbon fiber tripods in 2009, we have been dedicated to making the world’s finest tripods. Individual shots display velocities at muzzle and up to five additional distances along with Kinetic Energy at each distance. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, Yes, bullet tumble and yaw help increase lethality, but are so hard to predict that I am not bringing it into this discussion. .300 Blackout vs 5.56mm While the .300 BLK does have slight obstacle defeating capabilities it isn’t markedly better in performance than the 5.56mm with the correct loading. Pitting 300 Blackout vs 308 vs 7.62x39, we examined what performs as the best AR caliber for firearms with a barrel length between 10.5 and 12.5 inches. Some experts say you need 3,000 fps because the bullet rapidly slows down after it leaves the muzzle and it needs to be at 2,500 or greater when it hits the body. LabRadar measures velocities up to 3,900 f.p.s. The 300 Blackout is much easier to control. Arrows are very lethal, yet have very low ballistic energy. We added a vent at the top of each leg to allow efficient air transfer when extending or collapsing, for rapid deployment, and takedown. Interestingly, way back during the Army “Pig Board” in the late 1920s, they came to the same conclusion. And remember, the bullet needs to be going at least 2,500 fps when it hits the target, not when it exits the muzzle. But I’d also like to start collecting data that is not commonly associated with silencer performance. 300 Blackout vs.308 Rounds: Which One Wins? Impressively quiet for a supersonic round in a shorter barrel, the SIG Elite Match 125gr 300BLK round out performed the supersonic .308 supersonic load. It features 5/8”-24 muzzle threads and is outfitted with YHM’s slant brake (YHM-3085-MB-A). Without any expansion, they don’t give us that nice initial wound cavity either. Discreet Ballistics gives its customers the option of choosing these loads for use in 16″ barrels or 7-11” barrels. &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;img src=”https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/activity;dc_iu=/1030735/DFPAudiencePixel;ord=1;dc_seg=854874846?” width=1 height=1 border=0/&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;<br />
, Editor In Chief- TFB That being said, the .308 Winchester absolutely dwarfs the other two cartridges with a much longer case length (2.015″) and overall length (2.81″). 300 Blackout vs 556 – Which Caliber is better? At 300 yards, the .300 Blackout projectile retains 154 ft.-lbs. [2]), also known as 7.62×35mm is an intermediate cartridge developed in the United States by Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC) for use in the M4 carbine. Here is a round that can be had in lots of different configurations. The good people at Labradar have loaned me one of their chronograph systems for a neat project I have coming up that will test every available 300BLK loading in a variety of barrel lengths from 5.5” to 16”. Several rounds of.308 ammo sits around 2,500 fps from an 11-inch barrel I refuse to draw any conclusions the. Poke holes in bad guys poke holes in bad guys the tripod more comfortable accurate. 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With a long-firing 'incendiary effect,' dragon's breath ammo will turn your shotgun into a... by Ballistic Staff / A big First, they inquired about well-known and widely manufactured calibers. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The Discreet Ballistics .308 subsonic rounds were also quiet, but may have been going transonic out of the 12.5” barrel. While .300 Blackout in supersonic fares far better, it still doesn’t get us up to the magical 2,500 fps unless you INCREASE the barrel length to about 20 inches or more. The velocity spread is interesting – something to consider is that a low pressure system dropped into the area during this course of fire, taking the weather from sunny and warm to cool, cloudy and the threat of rain/snow. That gives it an average of $1.30 per round. Third would be .300 Blackout. My second choice would be .308. The TFCT-24L Mk2 SOAR® Series 2 Tripod is our extra-tall Series 2 Tripod. Originally born of a US SOCOM contract with Advanced Armament Corporation (hence the .300 AAC Blackout name), our nations Special Operations Forces wanted a weapon system that could switch between sub-sonic and super-sonic rounds effectively and quickly, from a compact … They are wrong. Professional audio recording equipment may help (though still incapable of capturing the pulse of a gunshot). The 308 is actually the commercial designation of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. Also just like the long range category you need to determine just how much controllability you need. Firstly, let’s start with 7.62x39mm—the round of the venerable AK-47. Not surprisingly, most hunters who use the .300 Blackout extensively will tell you the same thing, without even knowing about the 2,500 fps rule: The round just doesn’t deliver when it comes to killing. But it also performs better for maximizing damage over the ones we talked about above. We’ll see. Enter YHM’s .30 caliber “K-Can”, the Resonator® K. Care, attention to detail, and a love for the industry helped to shape this remarkable piece of engineering. While there are a few technical differences between the two, most refer to them simply as “the 308.” If you’re familiar with historic battle rifles like the M14, H&K G3, FN FAL or the M60 machine gun, then you’r… I saw Speer Gold Dot this year announced it is releasing rifle rounds (.223, .308, and .300 Blackout; see below) that function like pistol rounds. Behind these would be a pistol caliber. Built in IPSC / IDPA Power Factor Calculator. The 5.7mm is an amazing pistol round. The only drawback from this platform is the 5.56 cartridge. With this load, our factory test rifles consistently produced groups that were sub-MOA. I don’t have the exact stat in front of me, but I think it was nearing 40 percent. It has the same lethality of a pistol round. document.write(''); The 308 is essentially a shortened version of the 30-06 Springfield cartridge used by the U.S. Military from 1906 through the late 1950s. &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;img src=”https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/activity;dc_iu=/6544/DFPAudiencePixel;ord=1;dc_seg=853191380?” width=1 height=1 border=0/&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;<br />
, var axel = Math.random() + ''; First, you need at least 2,500 fps to guarantee that the initial wound cavity causes permanent damage to the organs near the entry wound. So what do I recommend? Do you want full metal jacket or hollow-point? Until recently, any commercially available ammunition had only been available in one load for each extreme in barrel length. On the plus side, you can drop the barrel length down to  around 11 inches and you will only be losing about 150 to 200 fps. SIG SAUER supersonic rounds feature a 125gr Sierra Match King Projectile for superior accuracy and minimal dispersion when suppressed. They have a point. I have read the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy, and I hereby agree to those terms. You want a 10.5- to 12.5-inch barreled AR in the most lethal caliber. It has half of the ballistic energy of the .308 in the same length barrel. This round has been thoroughly tested to function in both pistol and carbine length gas systems. Like the long range category I can tell you who wins this category right off the bat. Today we wade into the interesting debate of 300BLK subs versus 308Win subs. This model comes configured in 9” 300 Blackout. .300 Win Mag vs .300 Blackout: Quick ‘n Dirty Comparison By Alex Joseph-July 26, 2019 0 6357 Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Comparing ammunition is always an interesting and difficult task. The other three criterion are important, but lethality trumps everything else. They just didn’t understand all of the “why.” They saw that a smaller, faster round did far more damage to pigs—both living and dead—than a bigger, slower round. It’s simple to use, collects and records data automatically and gives you another dimension to your platforms. What Is a 300 Blackout Good For? LE – Silencers – Science Otherwise, even though the initial wound cavity may look cool in ballistic gelatin, it is not enough to cause any real damage. The AR-15s 5.56mm cartridges are obviously lighter than the AR-10’s 7.62, making it easier to carry more of them. This is especially important for those of us who don’t reload since factory subsonic .308 offerings are few and far between. Smaller bullets do not track as far as large bullets. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30-06 Springfield vs .300 AAC Blackout ammo rounds. You can shoot a sub-gun in 9mm or .45 ACP and be just as effective. The MARC® Sport Pistol utilizes a Remington® 700 action in conjunction with a “remage” style barrel interface. At 50 yards, the difference is 248 lb.-ft. or a 34.73% advantage. Posted May 9, 2020 in Bolt Action, Editorial, NFA / Suppressors / Class III, Pistol Stabilizing Brace, Pistols, Rifles, Silencer Saturday by Pete with No CommentsTags: Discreet Ballistics, Graham Brothers Rifleworks, MARC chassis, Resonator K, Silencer Saturday, Yankee Hill Machine, SILENCER SATURDAY #124: 300BLK Subs Vs 308 Subs With Labradar Data. However, the .300 Blackout has a noticeably shorter case length than the .223 Remington (1.368″ vs 1.76″). And oh how it pains me to say it. Last week we went deep into the integrally suppressed rifle world with the REM700 from Innovative Arms. So let’s talk about the venerable .308. I grew up beating the drum for .45, so this hurts me as much as anyone. Again, the SIG Elite Match rounds showed extreme consistency as observed by the velocity spread and deviation. My main concern in today’s analysis are the fence-sitters out there: people who love suppressors and want to experience subsonic bliss but may not want to invest in a 300BLK platform. That number jumps up rapidly when it comes to people shot by rifle rounds. Jury is still out on that one. Next comes .300 Blackout. Anyone who has tried to yank out a carbine from their passenger seat during a takedown at Home Depot parking lot will tell you a 16-inch barrel is too long. This barreled action is then mated to our MARC® Sport chassis system, MARC® handguard, GBR 0 MOA scope rail (GBR-230-A), and a folding SB Tactical arm brace. There is no comparison in the calibers, .308 and 300 Blackout but at 100 yards or less I can take what I want, deer, hog, varmint etc quickly and efficiently as shot placement is the mark of a good hunter. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Remember, full powder burn for a quality 300BLK round should occur somewhere around nine inches, whereas .308 needs more than twice the barrel length. They are both good – at different things. Finally, let’s find an answer to the original question. You do not want so much space in there that … I refuse to draw any conclusions regarding the 300BLK subsonic versus .308 subsonic debate. The Discreet Ballistics 308 Win 190gr Subsonic Target Load was conceived and designed as part of a two load system. Let’s just go with the highest velocity round they make; that will be the best. That makes the 300 Blackout about 45% more per round on average. Utilizing the highest quality components available, SIG SAUER’s OTM Match ammunition delivers exceptional accuracy round after round. Given its high load capacity, a Versa Series 2 Tripod is also a great solution for shooters who need maximum support but want to keep their tripod as portable as possible. It is positioned to the side of the weapon, not downrange where other systems are prone to damage. It pokes holes, but it doesn’t drop them the way other calibers do. There are a few soft-point, hunting rounds, but no one is touting this round for being the best to kill deer, moose, or elk; there is a reason for that. 300 Blackout vs 5.56 NATO and Suppressors Of course, any judgment on the effectiveness and worth of the 300 Blackout wouldn’t be complete, or entirely fair, without answering the suppressor question. If you compare a 300 blackout round to a 308 round you’ll notice immediately how much shorter the 300 Blackout is. The Resonator® K uses a tubeless design which consists of heat treated 17-4 stainless steel and a heat treated 718 Inconel blast baffle which allows the suppressor to be full auto rated and designed for rigorous use. with 0.1% accuracy using six AA batteries. Anyone who has cleared a meth head’s single wide stacked with shit to the ceiling will tell you that a 16-inch barrel is too long. So let’s dive into the 300 Blackout vs 308 vs 7.62×39 debate as it relates to shorter barrels. If you are a reloader, a precision rifle shooter or are a fiend for data, you should be considering the purchase of a Labradar. It continually measures velocities of your rifle, pistol, shotgun (slugs), arrows or pellets up to 100 yards depending upon the size of the bullet. My editor recently relayed a question from a reader to me. This load incorporates the Nosler® 190 gr BTHP projectile that has proven to be quite accurate. &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;<br />
So which one would you build No other tripod in the world offers this versatility. As to be expected, the subsonic Discreet Ballistics 300BLK in the Graham Brothers MARC pistol with the Resonator K sounded very sweet. Some experts say you need 3,000 fps because the bullet rapidly slows down after it leaves the muzzle and it needs to be at 2,… Curve ball! The MARC® Sport Pistol in .300 Blackout comes with an Accurate-Mag steel magazine. In fact, projectiles run from 78 grains (Lehigh Defense Close Quarters) to 240 grains (Sierra MatchKing). You’re probably wondering what I keep at home for self defense? The spread and standard deviation were tight after the weather system moved in completely. Additionally document.write(' I don’t have the ballistic gelatin or the testing facility of the FBI’s Ballistic Research and Development Lab, but I can make some pretty intuitive deductions based on the data available. The SIG Elite Match is impressively consistent. A 12 gauge with 1-ounce slugs. Labradar Chronograph performance exceeds any consumer level velocity acquisition system. Is it possible that the venerable 308 can be quieter than 300blk?? Not bad, but 7.62x39mm doesn’t have a high enough velocity, even with a full-length barrel. 308 vs 300 Win Mag vs 30-06 Springfield Rifles Just like with ammo, the major gun manufacturers produce sporting rifles chambered in all three cartridges. Mostly because I don’t feel qualified to do so. Rounds have to go in excess of 2,500 fps for the initial wound cavity to cause damage to periphery organs. Improved ergonomics make operating the tripod more comfortable and seamless. The casing for the .308 Win is significantly larger than the 300 BLK and can hold a considerably higher amount of powder and withstand greater pressures. GREATER kinetic energy than the 5.56 NATO projectile, equal to a 45.97% increase. Is there a clear winner? Sounds awesome! But there are lots of lighter, fast 5.56mm rounds that are soft or plastic-tipped and they cook. Rounds are precision loaded using state-of-the-art, electromechanical monitoring for geometric conformity. Without access to a scientifically appropriate decibel meter, I’ve been suffering from a lack of quantifiable data for our weekly discussions. At 100 yards this can result in as much as a 200fps drop making it more difficult for the shooter to get on target. Modern bullet design is closing the gap between calibers and making the smaller bores more and more effective. Subsonic rounds all suck … equally. But it’s an exciting time to be alive. .300 Blackout, .300 Whisper, they sound so similar! Next, how do we judge calibers? I’m expecting a bloodbath in the comments section for that debate. DEALERS: If you want your link to buy YHM suppressors included in future Silencer Saturday posts, email: [email protected], var axel = Math.random() + ''; only thing i can think of is you can pick up a .300 blackout upper for about 400-500 bucks, while an AR-10 will Featuring dependable primers and clean-burning propellants each round has been meticulously designed to deliver competition level performance. The.308” diameter 300 Blackout bullet is available in a far greater range of weights — anywhere from 110 to 220 grains. Well, it’s a good thought, but it isn’t that simple. Multiple distances for velocity display are user definable on the unit. Although the 300 Blackout ammo is more powerful, more efficient, and more lethal when fired out of short-barreled rifles than 5.56 ammo, it falls behind the bullet energy of the 350 Legend being the heavier bullet. See more ideas about 300 blackout, Gun gear, Blackout. Pass on 7.62, especially in a short barrel. This load has been thoroughly tested to function with bolt action rifles. There are a lot of people that say it doesn't matter what other people have, its only what YOU have on hand. A .30 caliber bullet coming from an AR-15 (not AR-10) platform and able to come out in regular or subsonic (for suppressed weapons) velocities? The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30-30 Winchester vs .300 AAC Blackout ammo rounds. I’ve been told over and over by my agency that I should stick to a 16-inch barrel because it works better. They may not cause as much periphery damage as a round going more than 2,500 fps, but they may prove better than the match ammo and hunting rounds we have been using in the past. I know what you are thinking. Thanks for reading. Heavier, 69gr rounds tend to drop below 2,500 fps in barrels between 12 and 13 inches. In the meantime, I’m putting the Labradar to work in today’s discussions regarding 300BLK subsonic ammo versus 308Win subsonic ammo. I’ll admit it, I was at one time skeptical too. Discreet Bal­listics offers its 300 AAC Blackout ammunition in either pistol/SBR (7-11”) or rifle (16”) barrel loads so that velocity is consistently in the 1000fps range no matter which platform the shooter is using. Thus, the 300 Blackout round is a great pick for short barrel rifles. Since launching our first carbon fiber tripods in 2009, we have been dedicated to making the world’s finest tripods. Individual shots display velocities at muzzle and up to five additional distances along with Kinetic Energy at each distance. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, Yes, bullet tumble and yaw help increase lethality, but are so hard to predict that I am not bringing it into this discussion. .300 Blackout vs 5.56mm While the .300 BLK does have slight obstacle defeating capabilities it isn’t markedly better in performance than the 5.56mm with the correct loading. Pitting 300 Blackout vs 308 vs 7.62x39, we examined what performs as the best AR caliber for firearms with a barrel length between 10.5 and 12.5 inches. Some experts say you need 3,000 fps because the bullet rapidly slows down after it leaves the muzzle and it needs to be at 2,500 or greater when it hits the body. LabRadar measures velocities up to 3,900 f.p.s. The 300 Blackout is much easier to control. Arrows are very lethal, yet have very low ballistic energy. We added a vent at the top of each leg to allow efficient air transfer when extending or collapsing, for rapid deployment, and takedown. Interestingly, way back during the Army “Pig Board” in the late 1920s, they came to the same conclusion. And remember, the bullet needs to be going at least 2,500 fps when it hits the target, not when it exits the muzzle. But I’d also like to start collecting data that is not commonly associated with silencer performance. 300 Blackout vs.308 Rounds: Which One Wins? Impressively quiet for a supersonic round in a shorter barrel, the SIG Elite Match 125gr 300BLK round out performed the supersonic .308 supersonic load. It features 5/8”-24 muzzle threads and is outfitted with YHM’s slant brake (YHM-3085-MB-A). Without any expansion, they don’t give us that nice initial wound cavity either. 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, Editor In Chief- TFB That being said, the .308 Winchester absolutely dwarfs the other two cartridges with a much longer case length (2.015″) and overall length (2.81″). 300 Blackout vs 556 – Which Caliber is better? At 300 yards, the .300 Blackout projectile retains 154 ft.-lbs. [2]), also known as 7.62×35mm is an intermediate cartridge developed in the United States by Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC) for use in the M4 carbine. Here is a round that can be had in lots of different configurations. The good people at Labradar have loaned me one of their chronograph systems for a neat project I have coming up that will test every available 300BLK loading in a variety of barrel lengths from 5.5” to 16”. Several rounds of.308 ammo sits around 2,500 fps from an 11-inch barrel I refuse to draw any conclusions the. Poke holes in bad guys poke holes in bad guys the tripod more comfortable accurate. 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